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In this episode of the RVing with Joe & Kait podcast, we chat with Rich and Zoe from Defiance Tools—two entrepreneurs whose journey from buying an RV for their business to workcamping in Yellowstone National Park is both inspiring and insightful. Starting with a camper van as a mobile business hub, Rich and Zoe share how RVing became essential to their lifestyle, allowing them to attend events, grow their company, and experience adventures along the way.
Drawing from their experience as both RVers and seasonal workers, they offer insights into choosing the right RV, running a remote business, and making the most of workcamping opportunities. Rich and Zoe dive into the realities of workcamping at Yellowstone, from navigating limited connectivity and interacting with visitors from around the world to adapting to the unique rhythms of seasonal work in a remote location. From managing an online business while off-grid to scooping ice cream in the heart of Yellowstone, their story is packed with lessons, laughter, and unexpected surprises!
“You realize Yellowstone, it’s such a large park that most people are staying in West Yellowstone, maybe Cody. It could be down south toward the Tetons. It’s like an hour just to get into the park to start your day. So everyone’s up at like the crack of dawn. We’re there. We can just jump in the van and go.”
Rich & Zoe on the perks of workcamping inside Yellowstone National Park
Workcamping at Yellowstone National Park

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Episode Guests

Zoe and Rich started Defiance Tools to break away from the norm and to forge their own path.
They believe in working hard while having fun doing it. They began their business as an online store but quickly learned they could also travel the country selling their product and exploring the diverse landscapes and cultures of the United States.
Their gear is small, compact, unique, and is perfect for vanlifers, overlanders, RV’ers, and anyone enjoying life in a small space.
Through their journey with Defiance Tools, Zoe and Rich not only sell products but also share their passion for adventure, encouraging a community of like-minded individuals to live more freely and explore more boldly.
Links:
Resources Mentioned in this Episode
- Defiance Tools
- Rich and Zoe’s Yellowstone Adventure
- Delaware North Workcamping Jobs
- Yellowstone National Park Travel Guide
- We’re the Russos YouTube Channel
- Newsletter sign up
- Book 1: Take Risks
- Book 2: Tales From the Open Road
Key Highlights
- How Rich & Zoe Got into RVing: From childhood camping trips to using an RV as a mobile business hub, learn how their journey on the road began.
- Turning an RV into a Business Asset: How they incorporated RVing into their company, Defiance Tools, and used it to attend events and connect with customers.
- Workcamping in Yellowstone is a Unique Adventure: From navigating connectivity challenges to interacting with thousands of park visitors, Rich & Zoe share what it’s like to work in one of the most iconic national parks.
- The Challenges & Joys of Seasonal Work: A behind-the-scenes look at the realities of workcamping, including long shifts, busy crowds, and balancing work with time to explore.
- Workcamping Can Be a Fun & Flexible Way to Travel: Earn money, make friends, and explore national parks with or without an RV.
- Unexpected Perks of Workcamping: From hiking challenges to evening bonfires, the community aspect of workcamping in a national park is one of the highlights of the experience.
- The Secret to Running a Successful Ice Cream Fountain: What flavors sold the best, surprising customer trends, and how a unique float invention quickly became a favorite.
- Workcamping Can Be a Sustainable Way to Travel: Earning money while exploring national parks can be a great way to fund long-term RV travel.
- Insider Tips for Visiting Yellowstone National Park: Why staying inside the park can be a game-changer, where to spot wildlife, and how to avoid long entrance lines.
- Plan Ahead for Yellowstone National Park Travel: Limited Wi-Fi, long entrance lines, and strategic campground choices can make a big difference in your experience.
- Starlink is a Game-Changer for Remote Work: Having reliable internet is essential for managing an online business from the road.
- What Rich & Zoe Wish They Knew Before RVing: Advice on buying an RV, maintaining it, and finding the right community for troubleshooting and support.
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